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ca, sans-serif;line-height:21px;color:#333333;font-size:14px"><strong>What =
do you do when there=E2=80=99s no one to turn to and every decision rests o=
n you?<br><br></strong></p>
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ca, sans-serif;line-height:21px;color:#333333;font-size:14px">In this episo=
de of <strong>The Game Changing Attorney Podcast</strong>, <strong>Michael<=
/strong> and <strong>Jessica</strong> <strong>Mogill</strong> answer raw, r=
eal questions from law firm owners navigating isolation, leadership doubts,=
 and the pressure to stay strong when everything feels uncertain. From mana=
ging tough team decisions to questioning your purpose as a business owner, =
Michael shares why staying in the arena, even when you=E2=80=99re tired, sc=
ared, or second-guessing yourself, is the mark of true leadership.</p>
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e;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;font-family:arial, 'helvetica neue', helveti=
ca, sans-serif;line-height:21px;color:#ffffff;font-size:14px">"Better than =
a morning cup of coffee to get you motivated. This is my source to hear wha=
t the thought leaders of today are executing in their businesses."<br><br>
"Best podcast for Attorneys! Relevant, valuable information for attorneys l=
ooking to grow their law firm. Definitely worth a listen."</p>
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